anna9 wrote:

yes, you can read the top 10 in the list, their latest poems, most often in a day s35 or so poems are posted, some days 48, now i would not ask you to read all of them, that is for curators, if you stick to the top ten list you will be missing on the new talent, hmmmm, here is what some of you can do, if you read a new poet whose work impresses you, maybe you can post the link in the coffe club, "have you read this poets work, i found it impressive....etc etc, would that not be huge encouragement or the poet? I will do that once in a while for sure, will the rest of you participate too? there is nothing wrong in lauding good effort is there? What do you think, Zee? And BWP hi, how are you, thanks for putting up this post

As I stated above and I copied it to post again here - When I do find a really good poet I pass the name on to my friends and in turn they will pass on names of poets they find and they feel are really good. But we can only do so much. Poets have to make themselves seen and heard to get attention. they must take responsibility as well to get their poems read. joining slams is a good way to get people to find your poems. for me the slams are more about networking than competition.

Putting the name in the coffee shop is also a good idea. Either method gets the names out there and hopefully bring some attention to the poet. But and I just highlighted this thought in the above statement it is still up to the poet to get their poems noticed. I didn't wait for someone to discover me. I started adding buddies to my buddy list and sending out little hello missives to build a friend base. When I was a child many many many years ago we were brought up to take responsibility for what happens in our lives and maybe that is what is missing in some. But that is a topic for another discussion. Off to rate some poems and slams...

Zbird wrote:

As I stated above and I copied it to post again here - When I do find a really good poet I pass the name on to my friends and in turn they will pass on names of poets they find and they feel are really good. But we can only do so much. Poets have to make themselves seen and heard to get attention. they must take responsibility as well to get their poems read. joining slams is a good way to get people to find your poems. for me the slams are more about networking than competition. ..

good work Zee, and yes indeed, what you have highlighted is true and correct.

Poets have to make themselves seen and heard to get attention. they must take responsibility as well to get their poems read.

YES YES YES, well said

Now the problem is: there are poets who are good at their skill and craft, they
are new, they may have been here for some time, how do we network with a poet who shows no enterprise for networking?

And on the other hand, we have the poets who are good at networking first and foremost, and then everything else,

See that ? Zee...? Haa HAAAAA!

And those are the ones this discussion is about, right?
Well, then, for a few days i guess we will have to look at the daily poem list and find at least one poet we have never read , and comment and rate sincerely.

The bane is that if the trend is to rate the poems a 9 or 10, then maybe we need to be more generous with our ratings too, because if a mediocre poem is being rated a 10 because of networking, then an 8 from -let us say "me"- for a good poem would be injustice,

life is organic Zee, that is the beauty of it all, what holds today may need to be improved on tomorrow to adapt to situations,

and it is always good to discuss in the open, because it brings in active discussion and fosters good working camaraderie.

i once again thank all of you involved in this discussion, and please feel free to discuss further,

Zee i will be away from the boards for sometime, my family is visiting us.

thank you so much.

anna9 wrote:

Zbird wrote: As I stated above and I copied it to post again here - When I do find a really good poet I pass the name on to my friends and in turn they will pass on names of poets they find and they feel are really good. But we can only do so much. Poets have to make themselves seen and heard to get attention. they must take responsibility as well to get their poems read. joining slams is a good way to get people to find your poems. for me the slams are more about networking than competition. .. good work Zee, and yes indeed, what you have highlighted is true and correct. Poets have to make themselves seen and heard to get attention. they must take responsibility as well to get their poems read. YES YES YES, well said Now the problem is: there are poets who are good at their skill and craft, they are new, they may have been here for some time, how do we network with a poet who shows no enterprise for networking? And on the other hand, we have the poets who are good at networking first and foremost, and then everything else, See that ? Zee...? Haa HAAAAA! And those are the ones this discussion is about, right? Well, then, for a few days i guess we will have to look at the daily poem list and find at least one poet we have never read , and comment and rate sincerely. The bane is that if the trend is to rate the poems a 9 or 10, then maybe we need to be more generous with our ratings too, because if a mediocre poem is being rated a 10 because of networking, then an 8 from -let us say "me"- for a good poem would be injustice, life is organic Zee, that is the beauty of it all, what holds today may need to be improved on tomorrow to adapt to situations, and it is always good to discuss in the open, because it brings in active discussion and fosters good working camaraderie. i once again thank all of you involved in this discussion, and please feel free to discuss further, Zee i will be away from the boards for sometime, my family is visiting us. thank you so much.

I want to recommend a poet to the both of you and GP as a whole.... I think the subject matter in this poem recommended is in line with our subject matter here and I am sure you will enjoy this writers work on this piece...

I’ve Been Reading Poems... by kylebank

Anna and Bonnie I hope you are doing well. Please let me know what you think...

In hopes for peace... BWP... James...

wylde wrote:

just sometimes putting a poem 'out-there' kind of feels like giving (arduous) birth. and when someone taps on the nursery glass window and attentions are given, to my little baby - it feels soo satisfying. i know im not the easiest to read always, and even more rarely, understood. thanks so ever much for the kindnesses & words people give to my 'babies'. personally; id put a limit of posting 3poems a day. but then that again is just my mad head. riteon.

My dear friend Wylde; You have just expressed the feelings of many poets and as are my own and the reason I became a life member. I find the need to modify lots of times even in the moment of posting my babies.

My poem titled; No Words I wrote while replying to Rory and Jason (JPerry) playing on the coffee shop floor. I changed the title of my Coffee Shop posting to get more reads. I am not use to titling Coffee Shop subjects, I will get the hang of it. New title; Writing love poetry without using the word... The poem I quickly posted on my poets page and soon as I posted and read I wanted to modify by adding the letter s to the word, word. Now this poem just written was thought about for months before writing and the way it turned out I wanted to show the world (GP) my new born. And now what I have to show is a modified baby.

As for the multiple postings, I don't think a person should be limited to the amount of posting per day. I think poets should question what they post individually. Like is it poetry, is it finished, is it drivel, is it something others would want to read and how do I feel reading it again.


Wylde... When it all comes down to the way poets write poetry it is what makes that poet an individual artist complex-ed or easily read. I still hate having to read with dictionary in hand. I don't mind learning a new word, but I don't like feeling like I am being smacked in the head with the whole damn dictionary..

In hopes for peace... Your friend... BWP... James...

It seems this has been taken off topic and thought I would add my two cents to the mix. First, this topic is about multiple postings but more than that are the poems worthy of being posted. The complaint seems to me to be that people are posting anything and everything to get enough poems posted each day to stay on the hot poets list. Okay, I have to admit when I go to rate poems and I try to rate the new ones for the day and every poem posted is from the same poet it does irk me a bit. I like to rate different poets. And yes, a lot of it is just pure drivel, but it is drivel to me yet perhaps to another reader they are pure gold. We all look at things differently.

As for the off topic of who is responsible for networking poets who don't want to network their own poems I have to stand in agreement with Zbird on that point. And anna9 I think, and again this is my opinion, you got a bit childish with this ha ha remark.

(And on the other hand, we have the poets who are good at networking first and foremost, and then everything else,

See that ? Zee...? Haa HAAAAA!

And those are the ones this discussion is about, right?)

If someone is good at networking I say more power to them!

Zbird made some very logical points and yet you seem to feel that if someone doesn't want to network their poems it is up to her or others to go out and somehow find these wonderful poems and network for them. Heck! I barely have time to network my own!

So, I did a bit of snooping here and it seems both you and Zbird joined GP in October of 2007. In that time Zbird has rated 9,352 poems and is the number one rater on GP. And while you are ranked number 18 in voters you have rated 2,836 . Not a piddling amount but still it looks to me as if Zbird is the one who works the hardest at reading rating and commenting on other poets works. The number two spot is held by anonymous which is every poet who rated without signing in. Number 3 is mamta who rated 6,720 poems, so there is a big gap between Zbird and the rest of those who actually read and rate poems. I give credit to everyone who does! But to lecture Zbird on who should be rated and that it is her duty to find and promote other poets, well, it just seems a bit ludicrous when you look at the numbers.

So, why not let this topic stay on topic and start a new topic if you want to discuss who is responsible for promoting and networking the poems posted here on GP. I would never expect any one else to take their valuable time to network for me.

contrarymary wrote:

It seems this has been taken off topic and thought I would add my two cents to the mix. First, this topic is about multiple postings but more than that are the poems worthy of being posted. The complaint seems to me to be that people are posting anything and everything to get enough poems posted each day to stay on the hot poets list. Okay, I have to admit when I go to rate poems and I try to rate the new ones for the day and every poem posted is from the same poet it does irk me a bit. I like to rate different poets. And yes, a lot of it is just pure drivel, but it is drivel to me yet perhaps to another reader they are pure gold. We all look at things differently. As for the off topic of who is responsible for networking poets who don't want to network their own poems I have to stand in agreement with Zbird on that point. And anna9 I think, and again this is my opinion, you got a bit childish with this ha ha remark. (And on the other hand, we have the poets who are good at networking first and foremost, and then everything else, See that ? Zee...? Haa HAAAAA! And those are the ones this discussion is about, right?) If someone is good at networking I say more power to them! Zbird made some very logical points and yet you seem to feel that if someone doesn't want to network their poems it is up to her or others to go out and somehow find these wonderful poems and network for them. Heck! I barely have time to network my own! So, I did a bit of snooping here and it seems both you and Zbird joined GP in October of 2007. In that time Zbird has rated 9,352 poems and is the number one rater on GP. And while you are ranked number 18 in voters you have rated 2,836 . Not a piddling amount but still it looks to me as if Zbird is the one who works the hardest at reading rating and commenting on other poets works. The number two spot is held by anonymous which is every poet who rated without signing in. Number 3 is mamta who rated 6,720 poems, so there is a big gap between Zbird and the rest of those who actually read and rate poems. I give credit to everyone who does! But to lecture Zbird on who should be rated and that it is her duty to find and promote other poets, well, it just seems a bit ludicrous when you look at the numbers. So, why not let this topic stay on topic and start a new topic if you want to discuss who is responsible for promoting and networking the poems posted here on GP. I would never expect any one else to take their valuable time to network for me.

My dear friend contrarymary... For one I have no idea who you are addressing here when you have quoted no one. So I assume you are addressing ZBird or Anna9. It is me BWP... That posted this subject and from what I can see I never used Zee...? Haa HAAAAA! in any of my statements and I do not think this subject to be a joke in any terms.

As for rating of ZBird, Zbird was in a contest with I don't know what poets to see who could rate the most poems at one point in her membership. Where she did most of her rating she did not have to leave a comment and all she did was rate. It is called blind rating and when one goes to the blind rating link which I will post below so you can see what I am talking about. As for me I boycott the link and also boycott slams. When one rates using the link they get karma points. If I get karma point I would rather leave a comment. I know you have had to have seen poems rated with no comment left. Well this is the link.

www.gotpoetry.com/Blind_Rating.html

ZBird racked up a lot of ratings using the blind rating link and that had nothing to do with networking because it was done in secrecy. Networking on site is done by being here and letting poets see you here. Those of us here day after day posting commenting and giving replies are the poets in ranking because we are here.. I do question the honesty when rating in such a contest as Zbird was in because it takes a lot of time to make such judgements of poems and then it is one poet's opinion at breakneck speed to win such a contest.

I hope you feel as I do and would rather leave a comment when making any judgement on anyone's work.

As for networking boycotting slams and blind rating it has not hurt my ranking. I am around 17-18 in ranking so if you are quoting something I said please show the quote.

I have thought about posting another subject but I have two posted and I do not what to make myself into a know it all. So I will let this ride for now. If you feel this subject to be worn out. Then by all means post a subject that turns you on... Who knows I may get off on it also... You little monkey. Now that's a joke.

Thanks for the two cents...

In hopes for peace... BWP... James...

BWP: My dear friend contrarymary... For one I have no idea who you are addressing here when you have quoted no one. So I assume you are addressing ZBird or Anna9. It is me BWP... That posted this subject and from what I can see I never used Zee...? Haa HAAAAA! in any of my statements and I do not think this subject to be a joke in any terms.

No, It was Anna9 who did that silly ha ha thing when she thought she got Zbird on a point. Which she didn't and it just seemed be getting a bit childish rather than an adult discussion. And I checked the blind link and zbird only rated a little over 3000 poems under that method and I also checked and you can leave comments so you really can't be sure Zbird did not comment on any or all of those 3000 and even if you deduct those she is still well over 6000 rated under regular rating which puts her way ahead in the rankings. It just seemed it was turning into a let's get Zbird forum and from what I see and hear on here she does an enormous amount to help others get started and find their way around here as well as being very generous in handing out karma points to anyone who needs them to join slams and such. So, guess I just felt it was a bit unfair for Anna9 to be trying to belittle zbird. Sorry if my words were misconstrued and taken the wrong way.

LOL! Look what I miss when I don't go online for a day . Mary and BWP you are both right. Dang! I had forgotten about that contest with zhaul, I think. But, yes, Mary I did comment on most of them even if just to say a few words about the poem. I do like people to know who rated them and that way if they have any issues with my rating they know who to contact.

I know BWP doesn't like blind rating because he thinks it is to hide the rater, but Mary if you have never tried it just check it out. The interesting part of blind rating is it is the poet who wrote the poem who is the "blind" part of the rating. We don't know who wrote the poem and thus you are more honest in your rating and comments, because you don't know who you are rating. When rating normally, which is what I do most as you have seen, you tend to be a bit more lenient with friends and I find that people who don't like me will give me a really low rating just because they don't like me. Where had they rated the poem "blindly" not knowing it was I who wrote the poem the rating would have been more honest. So, it works both ways.

AND you can do anonymous rating under regular rating as well. You can rate and not comment, so blind rating as I said just makes the rater give a more unbiased rating and comment. But this is way off topic!

I have stated my feelings on multiple posters which is what this post started out asking about and will leave it at that. Opinion asked and given as they say in court. LOL!

PS BWP I have already found kylebank and have rated some of his poems from time to time. I agree he does have some very good stuff posted.

now to go write some poems! lol!

i'll have to go along with alana the little tigger on this one. some young poets are shy or intimidated by authors that are in all the clubs and network constantly, writing loads of poems a week. two of the best poets i've ever read don't come on g.p. anymore because their work was largely ignored. i sometimes don't write anything for months, and once posted 4 poems in one day. sort of like a mental enema ( if that isn't too much of a disgusting image ha ha ). i would urge all poets not to just check the daily top 15 out, but to go back in to the archives, and look for the " forgotten poets ", who may have only written three or four poems before giving up. you'll find some gems. as anybody that knows me knows you can say anything you want about my stuff. i'm 44, i can take it. but remember that some of g.p.s poets are 14, not 44 and can be devastated by an ill thought out sarcastic remark - enough said - paul.

omega I do not disagree with that thought and many of us do that. But, we still cannot find them all! and those who leave because their poems were ignored needed to take some responsibility to get their poems noticed. There are many many many poems out there that never get seen simply because there are too many for us to read them all. We can only do so much. When the burden falls on those of us, who do read and rate. to find these hidden poets then the burden becomes too much. Shyness is not an excuse when this is anonymous and no one knows who you are unless you want them to know. If someone is that shy they will always be disappointed. Remember many of us have limited computer time and therefor limited time on GP so we do what we can, but we can't do it all.

I've only been on the site less than a month so, no stones please. Anyway, here's my two cents.

The name of the site is "Gotpoetry" not "Got-GOOD-poetry" or else I would not be here. If someone wants to post 20 crappy poems in a day, or like me, only 2 or 3 crappy poems in a month, I guess it's their right to do so. If I want to read the "serious" poets poems, I look in the workshops. I don't critique in there because I just don't feel like I'm qualified to tell someone else what they should do to to improve their poems, BUT by seeing the poets who post and critique in there, I can tell that those are the ones who are not on here just to string words together, most of which are mispelled, and call it a poem.

As for "networking", I agree with Zbird and others that have said it is the persons responsibility to make themselves known around here. It seems to me the best way to get people to comment on your poems is to comment on their poems. Tit-for-tat, so to speak. As for getting someone to answer your question in the Help Desk.......I still haven't figured that one out yet.

Also, thanks Zbird, for commenting on my "Join a Club??" post here in the coffee shop, I would be happy to join your club. In all honesty, the lack of comments to my posts is much more disheartening than the lack of comments on my poems. It's as if your at a party and as soon as you walk up to a group having a conversation, they all walk away. Do I stink???!!

katherine wrote:

I've only been on the site less than a month so, no stones please. Anyway, here's my two cents. The name of the site is "Gotpoetry" not "Got-GOOD-poetry" or else I would not be here. If someone wants to post 20 crappy poems in a day, or like me, only 2 or 3 crappy poems in a month, I guess it's their right to do so. If I want to read the "serious" poets poems, I look in the workshops. I don't critique in there because I just don't feel like I'm qualified to tell someone else what they should do to to improve their poems, BUT by seeing the poets who post and critique in there, I can tell that those are the ones who are not on here just to string words together, most of which are mispelled, and call it a poem. As for "networking", I agree with Zbird and others that have said it is the persons responsibility to make themselves known around here. It seems to me the best way to get people to comment on your poems is to comment on their poems. Tit-for-tat, so to speak. As for getting someone to answer your question in the Help Desk.......I still haven't figured that one out yet. Also, thanks Zbird, for commenting on my "Join a Club??" post here in the coffee shop, I would be happy to join your club. In all honesty, the lack of comments to my posts is much more disheartening than the lack of comments on my poems. It's as if your at a party and as soon as you walk up to a group having a conversation, they all walk away. Do I stink???!!

You have made some excellent points! In my humble opinion people write different styles of poetry and while some may see a certain poem as not worthy others will find it a gem and give it merit. Like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder. In the beginning I posted a lot of poems, but lately find I post very rarely and have actually gone back and deleted some of my earlier poems.

As for conversation stopping, yes, I have noticed that myself. Sometimes once I pipe up on a topic the topic ends. Do you stink? LOL! love it... but maybe you should change deodorants . Just teasing!!!!

good luck! Bonnie

As for conversation stopping, yes, I have noticed that myself. Sometimes once I pipe up on a topic the topic ends. Do you stink? LOL! love it... but maybe you should change deodorants . Just teasing!!!!

good luck! Bonnie[/quote]


Silly girl.......I don't use deodorant.

Zbird wrote:

katherine wrote: I've only been on the site less than a month so, no stones please. Anyway, here's my two cents. The name of the site is "Gotpoetry" not "Got-GOOD-poetry" or else I would not be here. If someone wants to post 20 crappy poems in a day, or like me, only 2 or 3 crappy poems in a month, I guess it's their right to do so. If I want to read the "serious" poets poems, I look in the workshops. I don't critique in there because I just don't feel like I'm qualified to tell someone else what they should do to to improve their poems, BUT by seeing the poets who post and critique in there, I can tell that those are the ones who are not on here just to string words together, most of which are mispelled, and call it a poem. As for "networking", I agree with Zbird and others that have said it is the persons responsibility to make themselves known around here. It seems to me the best way to get people to comment on your poems is to comment on their poems. Tit-for-tat, so to speak. As for getting someone to answer your question in the Help Desk.......I still haven't figured that one out yet. Also, thanks Zbird, for commenting on my "Join a Club??" post here in the coffee shop, I would be happy to join your club. In all honesty, the lack of comments to my posts is much more disheartening than the lack of comments on my poems. It's as if your at a party and as soon as you walk up to a group having a conversation, they all walk away. Do I stink???!! You have made some excellent points! In my humble opinion people write different styles of poetry and while some may see a certain poem as not worthy others will find it a gem and give it merit. Like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder. In the beginning I posted a lot of poems, but lately find I post very rarely and have actually gone back and deleted some of my earlier poems. As for conversation stopping, yes, I have noticed that myself. Sometimes once I pipe up on a topic the topic ends. Do you stink? LOL! love it... but maybe you should change deodorants . Just teasing!!!! good luck! Bonnie

omegapaf wrote:

i'll have to go along with alana the little tigger on this one. some young poets are shy or intimidated by authors that are in all the clubs and network constantly, writing loads of poems a week. two of the best poets i've ever read don't come on g.p. anymore because their work was largely ignored. i sometimes don't write anything for months, and once posted 4 poems in one day. sort of like a mental enema ( if that isn't too much of a disgusting image ha ha ). i would urge all poets not to just check the daily top 15 out, but to go back in to the archives, and look for the " forgotten poets ", who may have only written three or four poems before giving up. you'll find some gems. as anybody that knows me knows you can say anything you want about my stuff. i'm 44, i can take it. but remember that some of g.p.s poets are 14, not 44 and can be devastated by an ill thought out sarcastic remark - enough said - paul.

Katherine and Bonnie and Paul...

Networking ones work is up to the poet. Work hard at writing poetry, promote your own work don't expect others to do it for you. Poets that fall away are quitters. You may say they are disillusioned by other poets on site. If that is all that it takes for them to quit after posting a few poem they are probably quitters anyway. I know that I have seen poets come on site post a few poems and leave and never come back to answer comments. Maybe that is all they wanted from GP, they were not disillusioned at all they got what they wanted. I felt like quitting GP many times, but GP has many things to offer besides ratings, comments and replies. The free indexing of ones poetry and getting it read is more important to me.

As for posting drivel don't waste my time. Show me you are a poet and you are working on becoming a better poet. Most of the time when a poet sees drivel they don't take the time to comment. John can tell you more than I drivel cost just as much as good poetry when it comes to web space. We should think before we post something we don't even want to read over ourselves because we know it is drivel.

Bonnie... Paul... and I... BWP...

Have a few years of GP under our belt and beyond anything else we have shown we are not quitters.

I wish I could comment on everything worth commenting on but the fact of the matter is. I don't have the time, I have a farm, with many beautiful animals, a garden that needs tending and a family and they all take time. I also have dyslexia, it makes writing anything a time consuming part of my day. I had to cut back on comments and I do not reply to every comment even though I appreciate every comment.

I also so believe that summer has taken a lot of the comments and with winter coming on there will be more poets taking the time to give comments on poets work. I really saw comments take a nose dive at the start of summer, because people are outside.

Katherine the party is still on. From Bonnie, Paul and me... BWP... I am sure they don't mind me speaking for them. Hang on, please stay, keep posting, don't go away, don't be a quitter, never been to a party that something was not boring. Write poetry...

In hopes for peace... BWP... James... I think I hear the pigs calling... GP... Time up for the day...

katherine wrote:

As for conversation stopping, yes, I have noticed that myself. Sometimes once I pipe up on a topic the topic ends. Do you stink? LOL! love it... but maybe you should change deodorants . Just teasing!!!! good luck! Bonnie

Silly girl.......I don't use deodorant. [/quote]

lmao!!! neither do I! hey, do you think maybe we found the answer as to why everyone leaves the room when we enter .

I find that posting a poem changes my perception of it. Somtimes I post and remove things rapidly. Not purposely. But seeing it framed for all to read, it looks and reads differently for me than it does on the isolated Wordpad I like to write in. It's purely psychological, but it is a real effect for me. In some sense, 'posting' is perhaps part of the essential process for me. And sometimes removing it when I see it in a different light is as well.

Zbird wrote:

katherine wrote: As for conversation stopping, yes, I have noticed that myself. Sometimes once I pipe up on a topic the topic ends. Do you stink? LOL! love it... but maybe you should change deodorants . Just teasing!!!! good luck! Bonnie Silly girl.......I don't use deodorant.

lmao!!! neither do I! hey, do you think maybe we found the answer as to why everyone leaves the room when we enter .[/quote]

WOW! How the subject changes from day to day in the Coffee Shop. Stinky women. Flatulence may be the problem and has nothing to do with deodorant. I blame the dog. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!

BrokenWordsPoet wrote:

Zbird wrote: katherine wrote: As for conversation stopping, yes, I have noticed that myself. Sometimes once I pipe up on a topic the topic ends. Do you stink? LOL! love it... but maybe you should change deodorants . Just teasing!!!! good luck! Bonnie Silly girl.......I don't use deodorant. lmao!!! neither do I! hey, do you think maybe we found the answer as to why everyone leaves the room when we enter .

WOW! How the subject changes from day to day in the Coffee Shop. Stinky women. Flatulence may be the problem and has nothing to do with deodorant. I blame the dog. Damn!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]


Hahaha.....well, your dog does have a guilty grin on his face......

Sorry for highjacking your thread, I'll behave from now on.

Now if I could only figure out how this damn quote thing works.....

My official position on this topic, stripped down bare:

I just don't care.

Post 37 poems per day or 4 each decade. Just don't set my house on fire, because we won't be cool if you do that.